The first Italian, floriform with hand hammered finish, 1944-1968 date lozenge,(8 in.); the second German, oval form, with the 20th century mark of Wilhem Binde (7 x 11.5in.); both without monograms and marked .800 silver.

12.35 total troy oz.

Both with minor denting to base and scattered light surface scratches from use.